Louis, I don't know why he's been silent, but I dont care anymore. You are both grown ups and this forum is not meant to settle things like individual transactions that happen outside this forum. If you just want to tell us that he's a scammer, then tommy is the one who has to defend himself. Besides, I don't really know tommy in person.
It's a shame for both of you, and if you ask for my opinion, I think both of you were being greedy that's all, but again who am I to judge?
I tried to connect between you both -- and it failed, so it's not my business anymore.
my opinion that Tommy need write answers at this forum .. so everything will be clear.
Tomy : i understand that he contribute a lot for KTKI, and for Nepenthes availability (neo, treubiana, etc).
but ..it not just Tommy obligation...but it also for "our reputation" at international community, so i hope that Tommy must give statement so Louis can understand..
i think that the problem is "the plant is unsuccessful delivered"
BECAUSE .. the expedition can't send it ..and the expedition have problem with Legal Permit .. so the package failed to deliver.
so personally i must say that Tommy already has give/send the plant/ Package it to Louis.. but Louis don't receive the package..
so Louis.. i must say SORRy for this incovenience ..but its ur RISK..we here want to help u ..
but i still feel disapointed for Tommy for he neglect all call //notice/ message ..
cak Tommy ,sebaiknya jangan menghindar ..muncul aja , di hadapi dengan jantan, dan bicara dengan baik2 ..Di jelasin .. supaya masalah ini tidak jadi ganjalan lagi tunjukkan bukti2 pengiriman / resi / tanaman2 yg mati di dalam kardus difoto , supaya nunjukkin kalo barang sudah dikirim, tetapi tidak nyampe.
(kl mungkin sy ada salah kata , silakan moderator revisi/hapus saja..thanks)
Last Edit: Feb 11, 2010 0:36:53 GMT 7 by Antonio L
I'm not try defend Tommy in this case, nor offend you. I only wrote about my concern and oppinion on this, so we are can learn from it. ("we" is including me of course) It's your problem with Tommy that you have to solve yourselfs, both of you.
I also don't like Tommy keep silence to you. But what can I do? Some people already try it. And my house is several thousand kilometers away from his house. Maybe Tommy just not ready yet. Who knows? You can keep try to contact him or just wait. (That's what I would do, but I don't care about what you would do!)
I said that I'm sorry for you, Tommy, and the plants. Especially the plants.
Do you know why? Do I have to? I think you can figure it out if you learn enough.
But I think you could take care about your words:
Are you really not stupid? Do you really know where it's grow? Is it expensive?
If I'm stupid therefore Tommy is also stupid, he said nothing about the legal permit. I'm not stupid, thanks in advance to change your attitude.
Sorry, I don't have to be worry about taking care of my words nor changing my attitude. I'm who I'm, and I'm responsible for that.
And sorry if you don't want to be called "stupid". For me, I'm just a stupid person for something that I don't know. I admit it without any objection. I won't defend my self for that. And I won't be shame for that also. But I can learn and find out if I want to be not stupid (and ignorance) about that. I don't know about you.
Actually I'm "stupid" enough to comment on this thread that I know "nothing" about.
Do you know that I'm really-really stupid about history of your home town? Do I care now? But I "can" and "want" to learn when it become necessary (or important you may say) for me.
klossii grow near L... W.... and somewhere around other lakes... Year, it's very expensive to take plane in this island.
Actually I don't want to talk about this, because it not directly related to your problem (the problem is not in this part), OOT, but I jus't can resist. Another kind of "my stupidity".
Anybody that has internet connection or access to a good library, if doesn't have the book, can find it. Just like we did. Yes, it's grow near L... W.... and somewhere around other lakes... But my question was "Do you really know ...."
Oh yeah, it's a small place (in the map). It's only about 100km square (or more?). And only about 10-20 mature plants found recently. It easy! piece a cake! no problem!
Hmm...............very nice dream. Do you know that SMP call (or SMS? I forgot) longor for the location when he already "really close" (in the map) to the location? Do you know he then "runaway" when the local people chasing him? Yes, it's one of the "safest" place to go, especially if you are not a locals. Even Tommy is not a local people there.
Once I read in captive exotic website sometime ago about N. klosii why it is not in cultivation yet is because nobody want to take the seeds with blood in it. But I can't find that page now.
Do you know that Ch'ien got his malaria there? And once had to spent a night at the police officer's house? Have you seen another people picture of N. klosii beside our photo's, Ch'ien's and old Rose's. No, I'm not try to say that we are super men! We are just a bunch of crazy people that dare enough to go there at a time. Actually, it's not that difficult. Anybody can do it. (I'm just not dare enough to suggest it)
But If it not because of luck, I doubt we found the plants there. ;D We asked local people about the plants, including the tribe chief, show them the pictures. no body knows. Oh yes, you can see millions of N. maxima there! You even will need a lots of luck to find a single plants of N. sumatrana that grow on the road side around S....... (everybody knows where the town is!)
So it's not only about expensive airplane ticket (that a lot of people can buy) and know where the grow (in the map). BTW, we can also do boat and road trip for this.
Tommy could share money? 50/50? Why he keep silence?
Sorry, I don't care! I don't know what you bought and how Tommy got his plants for you to sell. It's not in "my concern". You mention N. klosii, but who care now?
I'm very stupid on this and want to keep it that way!
Don't be offended all! please learn. Read more "deeply" in my "..." and red words, also (....) sentences. No more comment from me. I have learn enough. (but still stupid )
Well honestly, this thread is pointless now.. In this case, recognizing KIKI is a man/person is so ridiculous.. I just positively thinking, perhaps you're mistyped KTKI here but anyway it's still not a person..
Please read the previous post carefully before making "smart" reply. or you're making another "cleverness".
As a moderator, I have to remind you guys, this thread it's about Louis and Tommy.
But thanks for anybody who contribute, with all of your efforts, to explain the problem, to push Tommy showing up, to examine who is wrong and who is right, to remind us who is Tommy and what his gave to the world of Nepenthes, to anybody who make it fun with (I know you just wanna break some ice), and also for who is dare say "stupid" (I know, it's not easy to say it with honest and directly. And I know it's difficult to accept it).
Well, we have everything we need about this problem.
So, I decide it to close this thread until Tommy show up.
For Tommy: Please, show and tell.
For Louis: if you wanna open this thread again, tell me.
For us: If you still wanna help this problem, find Tommy.